Episode 90

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11th Nov 2024

The Surprising History of Hip Hop at Rider University

We are joined by Mickey Hess, professor and author of several Hip Hop-related books to talk about the Hip Hop artists that have performed at Rider over the years. Hess himself has brought many of them to campus, including legends like Masta Ace and Rah Digga.

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Transcript
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I. Bring it.

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Come on.

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Welcome to hip hop movie club.

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The show harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop.

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The magic of movies.

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My name is DynoWright.

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I'm a podcaster, filmmaker, Rider grad.

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And in the dorm,

my man Destin would be playing

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Craig Mack's Flava in Ya Ear.

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That first record,

the Funk da World record.

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I remember him playing a lot of,

old Dirty Bastard and Wu-Tang also.

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JB is a nice nostalgia junkie, longtime

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hip hop fan, writer grad as well.

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And I remember it must have been

my sophomore or junior year when I won

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Tribe Called Quest Midnight Marauders

CD off of the Rider radio station

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promo copy.

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Hello,

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time

buff and rider grad,

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and I actually used to deejay right here

in the pub when I was a student,

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and also in the Cavalla Room upstairs.

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And nice.

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Today we have with us

Professor Mickey Hess.

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Mickey Hess is the coauthor with Buddha

Monk of the Dirty Version:

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On Stage, In the Studio

and In the Streets with Ol’ Dirty Bastard.

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And other books

include The Nostalgia Echo,

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Big Wheel at the Cracker

Factory, Is Hip Hop Dead?

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The Past, Present, Future, America's

Most Wanted Music, and A Guest

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in the House of Hip Hop:

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How Rap Music Taught a Kid from Kentucky

What a White Ally Should Be.

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think you got your education

from the University of Louisville.

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That's right.

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Go Cardinals cards.

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And we're also going to have you here.

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And we're so glad to have him here.

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And we're going to talk about

the surprising history of hip hop

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with our hip hop professor at Rider

University.

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Here at Rider!

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You get right on, right on.

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Welcome.

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Thank you guys for attending.

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We're excited to be here. Louisville.

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Is that Lamar Jackson's all right,

I think.

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Oh, no, I think he.

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Yeah. Lamar. Two time MVP.

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And he may be earning his third the way

he's playing these days, but, yeah.

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So Rider College and then Rider University

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has a long history

of hosting hip hop acts.

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Some of them might shot you here long

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before they became household names.

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So we have a little bit of a chronology

of, of hip hop.

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We can talk about some of these acts,

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maybe what their influence was

and the memories thereof.

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One of the first hip hop acts

that we can recall,

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and as documented,

was in April of:

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who knows?

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Rob bass is biggest hit.

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I'm looking at you.

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It takes two.

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It takes two to make a thing go right.

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Of course. Right, right.

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Joy and pain, my man in the back. You.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Rob bass was here and 1990.

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That's about the time when that hit, you

know, made it big, maybe slightly before.

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So huge name and hip hop annals.

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Fast forward a little bit further out.

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95 or so the Fugees,

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The artifacts, DJ essence,

Boogie talk a little

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about about the Fugees, because I know

you had some interaction with them.

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Yeah.

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So I was on SEC.

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SEC at the time studying

entertainment culture, and we were trying

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to figure out,

who we would have for our concert.

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There was a guy in,

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on our committee at the name

Jabari Sturdivant.

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He was from East Orange.

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I was from New York, some familiar.

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And he threw out the name

The Fugees as soon as he to rename.

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And I got excited. Everybody's. What?

What were they like?

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You're going to like to trust me.

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At the time that we Sony Hannah said.

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Matthew has remixed

Mona Lisa came in happening on Friday.

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Yeah,

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the only song that was on the radio

that was the ears

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actually heard on the radio yesterday.

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Specifically.

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So the Fugees come down

and they bring the artifacts,

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which is also a lot of hip hop artifacts.

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Wrong side of the tracks.

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Oh, since they returned to the team, one

and the As well,

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but they just seem to share and inform.

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For almost two years,

if you have children free concern

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for our.

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And while there once things were forming.

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So we started working

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and as we know we got a problem now.

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Say, why is the children

from our four richest teachers.

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It's an incredible you.

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You see obesity and radiation.

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You know.

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And he has mentioned to me,

his heart is in Egypt.

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It's on out north. The

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children from New Hampshire.

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And before this war, you know,

before you were afraid.

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I mean, we have Iran.

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So I got to ask you for questions.

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Lauren Hill was there, went through these

right at the time.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Who was you here and her and wanted

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to have a few

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words.

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They had a long history together

to a big falling out.

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And so that was

really quite interesting. I

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make a, you know, courageous teachers

go to.

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So you remember,

the video was something you have

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to try and make it

so that every time I pass, I still

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I think back to the beginning, I was

I was actually born in Trenton,

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and I lived in Warm Town

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for about a year and a half,

and then we moved up to Bucks County.

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But I was

you couldn't make me the girl to take me.

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But yeah,

I love that video that you give me.

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That that song. It's amazing.

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The flow.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, it was until.

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Yeah.

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That's amazing.

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I wonder if it's a local to the area.

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And he, I think.

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Was intelligence

which of time to be trained. And.

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Going to be. Yeah.

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Now this is one

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thing with the chronology

that you guys should listen to,

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American.

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What was my name?

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You know the name Sean Carter.

What do you mean?

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You know, it's Jay-Z was here in 96,

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but do you want to take us for now?

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Yeah. So,

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you're having a rap?

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I don't know.

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And we're trying to find some judges

for the competition

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and work it out with, you know, someone

a little more humble before the mouth.

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That was the guy who, started recording.

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Do you believe Trump

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used to live the church?

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You say?

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So we go down here, all of those.

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All right,

let me bring you over here to the,

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live right now this afternoon.

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And he has a critique

about everybody's wrong.

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Here's some of the murmurs he's

describing.

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He's happy.

And a lot of those are some music.

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So, yes, he probably picked up

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one more.

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One more English.

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How do you know

how to record and rock those record?

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That's when you have to come up for that.

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The drummer job right now.

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Just imagine if you some more of that

and he right here to

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he dropped the first verse to 26 ago

and the whole.

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Crowd was more visible.

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Second one,

I don't know anything about it to.

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The competition goes from there and you.

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That's one word.

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No, he's a reasonable doubt.

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You know the sources all the time.

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No record which album and good.

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So we knew that that album is good

because the source says.

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Yeah. So, our friend Jennifer,

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who's

always welcome, you know, where he said,

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okay, we're running Jewish because house.

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Music is more than office work, you know,

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go home for your program.

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Frozen Jewish.

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Okay.

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You you know, so and

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I'm like, okay, okay,

can I keep this movie stars from.

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And the white walls.

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Cuz all the schools with my hair like,

oh, my God, this guy.

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Holds a record.

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I'm going to just start with

Virgil was a guy

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that was in writers club

and I think everybody believes that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So he's frustrated

and it's like we both feature them for

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know.

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I should put his picture up in the wall.

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So yeah, for sure.

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Before he became

the best rapper at the time.

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And so this song is called.

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You never know who you're going to see it.

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Right?

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If you don't know the name of the show

and you become,

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multimillionaire billionaire moguls,

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with own, you know, line of Rockefeller.

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He's a businessman.

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Champagne?

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Ace of spades, movie.

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And if you want.

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Same.

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Same story.

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And and then at 96 strings

and do some strings later on.

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Give us that screenplay.

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So he was shaking their heads and.

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Okay, well, that should be the same

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as the low

and the string, and people would enjoy.

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And vast quantities of alcohol

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and performances from

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some unknown acts.

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So in 1996, that act that was

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because the headliner was House of pain.

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Which has.

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Been.

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The audience does.

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Jump around, jump around, get jumped.

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Irish small. There is the back.

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The shamrocks and shenanigans.

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So I was there, as an undergrad

at the time.

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We were all undergrads at the time.

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I remember House of Fame come now

and realized that Danny Boy.

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He's a much.

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Yeah, he's amongst yourselves.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Do you know people really remember that,

Danny

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boy was very Johnny Jersey

because they were wearing a lot of cream.

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And my girlfriend the time.

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And my wife Susan was like,

are you looking at me?

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And he looked at me. Well.

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And so that was an awesome time.

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Really. I mean.

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I know for of the house today there.

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There also be,

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People, you know,

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you saw.

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Anybody ever

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last had a few hits a little bit.

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And he actually had a solo album

for House.

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He was part of, I see rising.

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Oh, at that knowledge. Yeah.

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I remember the song was like,

that was after my,

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you know,

it was like loads of juice, you know that?

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My hero. Yeah. That's right.

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Why you for that was.

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That was.

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I didn't realize

he had it up before because.

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Yeah, he. Dom

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he. Had to put the kibosh on like that.

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Yeah.

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That was kind of the way

he reinvented, like, have some Irish.

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Really interesting.

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Yeah.

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You know, like Robert and I. I.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna say that.

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That was really working.

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And not all.

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European Americans are the same.

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Irish.

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Of them.

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That's crazy.

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And, well, 96 was quite a year for him.

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All right?

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We thought Jesse early in the year,

thinking how to say.

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From our records that.

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October 96th,

right after the next actual pandemic year

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at the same county

here, KRS one and deejaying was legendary.

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Bismarck. Bismarck.

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Yes. Yes, there was one.

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Actually, this is the opening act.

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So this actually

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featured on the show, just the four of us.

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And he was amazing. Like he had a crowd.

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More like he it was just, I mean,

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so I appreciate the origin that you put

into that performance and that,

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it was just a give me a reason to then,

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and party to over.

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He was a deejay, one of the,

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stars.

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I'm actually from here right now,

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which

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is you can argue that this one

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was my problem

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to improvise and do some.

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That is, strange to my world.

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That was,

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and, on the new one.

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And see, I'm the first time I heard.

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And he actually was given a final show.

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I have.

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I still have that concert.

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That's amazing.

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What do you remember?

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He lives in the Bay.

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Yeah.

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He did? Yeah.

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He just a friend to, Yeah, he did that.

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And and then, you know, play some music.

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You kind of organized

and had it for a while.

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Yeah.

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When I joined,

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the business was way down the throat

and I thought of, you know,

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like an investigation into the memories

so that somebody else.

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Yeah.

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So there's a great documentary media

episode that I called All Up in the biz

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that I haven't seen.

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And that was this documentary,

this documentary, his his own life

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about, it's a great story.

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You realize how influential

he was? I was like,

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he was so

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good to me that he came and brought him,

and they were very emotional

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being interviewed.

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He was in Oakland for us.

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Like at the same time they said, like,

he was just happy.

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He was like, hey,

you don't go to this high school.

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We're going to

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St Luke's anywhere without me.

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And then he reinvented himself to be like

a world famous teacher like he has.

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And he got caught up in the whole

sampling controversy and that he's.

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You know, this is not a fun time.

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Where did you go? You know. That?

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Yeah.

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Right. And then.

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He went on fresh shoots

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that showed up and sort of things

got to be like, you had to be like.

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And he had to give you the master of it.

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And then he he learned the basics,

and he was like a celebrity.

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And we went to his market and he did it

hardest for the glory events.

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His argument was like, I

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know he just can't believe that

he believes. So.

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Everybody sees him as a goofball clown,

but he was like

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insanely talented

in so many different aspects.

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And he had never taken such a serious

threat.

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And, you know, the art and exactly.

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So please give this tour.

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So, you know, I saw he was

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actually wow.

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His business crashed right into the.

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That was one of most.

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Yeah.

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This whole documentary might be a little

like it was on a Paramount+ or something.

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And so like I.

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Said, it shot

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it from.

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The trial.

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He was in remission.

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Episodes of, yoga, raffles.

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I know they have.

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This is I think this is really

the first year in the

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Museum of Natural History.

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Oh, yes.

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That's right.

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Yeah. This is the.

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And I'm going to see it here.

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And this

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is a universal hip hop museum.

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And so they built in the south front.

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And I sign up for the newsletter

coming out

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pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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It was made and saw an exhibit in Newark

a couple of years ago.

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The Grammy Museum, which used to be there

attached to the production center, and

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they did it here about two years ago,

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and it was really cool.

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A lot of photographs

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and memorabilia is hilarious as well.

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I mean, kind of cool.

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This is it was Brother Ernie's collection.

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Like a lot of his collection. Yeah.

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A lot of his collection

is now at Cornell University

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and, like, to go after neighbors.

All that, I think.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, I know

he donated a whole bunch of it to him,

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but he set up an indoor reserve, you know,

during the time we get to see him.

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But shout out to.

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Natalie and Ricky Ballenger.

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They need. You.

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That's right. Yeah, yeah. That's funny.

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This is book

one of the king of socials who shot it,

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you know, which is also,

you know, he made it a keepsake.

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Giant.

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And it's it's a hat that covers

the end of each of it.

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Yeah.

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Me every time.

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City man.

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Now, in 97.

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This is after July,

the slaying of his mother.

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You know, you begin to see,

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do you want to see. Oh.

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Yeah.

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So fast

action to continue this upstairs. And,

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she came and she's very,

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very, very commercial with,

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Very few people come under fire

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for information on this one,

a little bit about the story.

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You know, her first name was,

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also the person that Patrice

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was not too sure

who he actually was named.

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That was very clear on my mother's.

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You know him? He was,

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but again, she was

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very, very emotional, very vulnerable.

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And, you know, she spoke to the crowd.

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As well,

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you know, so,

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Shout

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out to the Student Entertainment Council.

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And, Oh, she's, you know,

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she's she's the.

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Funny.

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This she's.

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A southeastern. Really?

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Like I

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said, he was his, legend.

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All right. Yeah.

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How much was the 9399 exhibit.

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In my right. Now?

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112 and five,

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near and dear to my heart.

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A huge travel question.

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And they just inducted last weekend

in the city rather than Roll Hall of Fame.

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But, yeah,

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but he has been five,

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while he was.

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Here.

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Just.

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Yeah.

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I love you all. The question. So. Yeah.

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See, it's just that they're constantly.

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Pushing you on,

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and, and

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so my take on is that it has some,

you know, family.

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So I was volunteer manager at home, and,

so and,

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you know, exhibit A

for our community and all of you, I

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mean, there

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and I remember when I what, you know, I

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go to some. Room and we were like our

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own person.

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Maybe.

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This was,

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sort of of our community and, you know,

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you know, being able to set our eyes

on the crown jewels.

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And for our, for our family.

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You know, we're really set up for concerts

and started concerts. Hey.

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Oh, wow. And part.

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Of our all the way to the

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what to do is you're going for my.

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Go out the for.

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Know.

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So that you know

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you're playing I know, I know your father

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and I know you know genius.

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I don't know when all you.

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We started running out to that show

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on TV from

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the concert was I glad to see.

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Why don't you come to me?

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If I thought it was always.

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On in my hands,

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you know, just to have a chance to work.

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Yeah. I'm sure you'd love interest.

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He's really paying off.

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And see what you can get there.

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You know?

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And I was like, you know.

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As long as I get what I'm like,

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You know.

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But it was cool.

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You afterwards for your kids.

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That was all,

you know, moving around to the concert

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hall to be who you I wish right?

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Coming.

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:

You know?

475

:

Oops,

I wish I could do. It which is different.

476

:

For a

477

:

hip hop artist for each. Me.

478

:

Is that right? Yeah.

479

:

You're such an academic world.

480

:

Alrighty. Here it is.

481

:

Jamari Evans, who is,

482

:

knowledge from kids and all this. Oh.

483

:

Okay, nice opportunities.

484

:

Yeah. What was. His name?

485

:

Oh. Yeah.

486

:

I mean, I mean, I just wondered.

487

:

Yeah.

488

:

Who was that

489

:

small handful?

490

:

So who are.

491

:

Right on him.

492

:

But the main character, I'm going to try.

493

:

The first slide

494

:

for the jersey, I would see

whole jersey back in those videos.

495

:

I made a match on the.

496

:

Jersey.

497

:

It was Rowan. And there's a flag.

498

:

They always have a jersey

and I do and like the cool thing about

499

:

my dad was in sports like as well,

500

:

before he passed away and just

501

:

great. Wow.

502

:

He found. Oh.

503

:

Obviously remembers you

504

:

from when he was in the army.

505

:

And the dynamic

between two different things.

506

:

Just some parallels.

507

:

Let's go a little bit further.

508

:

I think 2002.

509

:

This is another one of the biggest names

on this list outside of DC.

510

:

Ludacris was here.

511

:

Who would I remember is in 2002,

I graduated 97.

512

:

I came back and got my MBA.

513

:

I was just taking. Classes.

514

:

Here and there, and I and I remember

that happened to be here for a class.

515

:

The name of that little Chris.

516

:

Was about for me, and I was like,

oh my gosh.

517

:

And I had no clue.

518

:

He was coming.

519

:

And everybody was just, you know,

520

:

getting ready for for this.

521

:

And they were back.

522

:

He had already done some, some things, but

and so he was not alone.

523

:

He is today.

524

:

It was before the whole Fast and Furious.

525

:

But he had had an alternative

526

:

and word of mouth album.

527

:

Hollowed out.

528

:

All the.

529

:

Way and.

530

:

Passed.

531

:

That. Yeah.

532

:

And then, 2004

533

:

saw the roof, but again, it's

534

:

much love and truth.

535

:

Do you have anything to add on

on the roofs?

536

:

Yeah. I, I wasn't around here.

537

:

Is that.

538

:

I wish I was wrong about that.

539

:

I used to listen to

540

:

song, but,

you know, it's see what happens.

541

:

For some.

542

:

Reason, the Philly roots and Juju Allen's

house band and.

543

:

Legendary.

544

:

And then, maybe you I mentioned it

545

:

in college, literally Kenya in 2006.

546

:

Yeah, I think I was just in this was just.

547

:

Yeah.

548

:

I started here fall 2006 and spring.

549

:

Right now,

it's probably the spring concert.

550

:

Yeah. Yeah.

551

:

And then another day the following year

I alluded to and I say.

552

:

It, I, I, I.

553

:

Was and that was that's him.

554

:

Tell us about that.

555

:

He's you can

556

:

tell me

557

:

he came on a story about Jacob

558

:

that went on.

559

:

That song.

560

:

Yeah.

561

:

Just was worship.

562

:

You don't know it.

It's it's a it's a masterpiece.

563

:

About our kind of place in nature is, is.

564

:

He is going to leave him to us.

565

:

So he said. It like it

sounds, and it's interspersed with his.

566

:

Knowledge to be a wonderful person.

567

:

It's really interesting that in the Valley

and all.

568

:

The strength of that,

some of the students fascination.

569

:

And going on that can teach.

570

:

You mentioned, man bass.

571

:

Yeah.

572

:

Which he always said, like people

didn't realize before he saw the video

573

:

clip.

574

:

This is actually not on.

575

:

There was a controversy on that that's.

576

:

Discussed in the movie.

577

:

This is a few years old anyway.

578

:

And years and years later, you see that?

579

:

Yeah, it's a game.

580

:

And, they want to talk with him later.

581

:

On this performance that evening.

582

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583

:

Really consensus.

584

:

And you know they have a movie and sound

judge

585

:

super professional future.

586

:

So they're watching this.

587

:

And you

588

:

reminded one of his other videos

hits the distributors.

589

:

And you remember the one that was

so popular:

590

:

You don't see the rest of the time.

591

:

Okay.

592

:

Right.

593

:

We go back. Yeah.

594

:

Let me see it.

595

:

Susie Johnson, he takes it off. Yeah.

596

:

That's right.

597

:

He goes back to his room and.

598

:

He's got the first verse on that movie.

599

:

So the verse you got an interview

just for state recently.

600

:

Yeah.

601

:

Because yeah.

602

:

So we, we had a film screening

where you showed me

603

:

in these elections and it was we had a to

604

:

prior to that because

605

:

he goes through

some of the rap battle scenes and

606

:

he was the but

607

:

not in men's, lines,

but other guys like he is the imagine.

608

:

And so the other guys and he got attached

to it as well as a few other stories,

609

:

and we showed it for the first time

live after showing an eight mile.

610

:

And then we did our end.

611

:

And you see.

612

:

That he was really cool.

613

:

And super nice. Yeah.

614

:

That album was really fun.

615

:

Yeah,

I wish you had heard the most recent one.

616

:

So to spell it out,

at least two singles out.

617

:

Of singles out Tokyo.

618

:

So you know,

619

:

because

620

:

And then, 2009

621

:

and 2010, Sean makes an entire

622

:

record that long.

623

:

I did not get to see them. You know,

624

:

I didn't make it all.

625

:

From Sean Kingston,

626

:

radio style.

627

:

And, you know, massive is putting all my.

628

:

Oh, man,

629

:

oh, man girls song.

630

:

Yeah. Show off.

631

:

And they did that one.

632

:

Example

633

:

2000 women.

634

:

And. New face.

635

:

Yeah.

636

:

So rich presence here

637

:

and, Yeah,

I wish Monica was here from across

638

:

the floor.

639

:

And she's in Chicago,

640

:

so he is in Chicago, right?

641

:

You son of, We'll see, like mentor,

like Connie, or like he had his influence.

642

:

Like.

643

:

Yeah.

644

:

I think you jumped on it.

645

:

Yeah, I flew literally.

646

:

You know.

647

:

It was

648

:

abusive recently versus like.

649

:

I mean, you know, I mean, he's making

you have these layers to you.

650

:

She has listen to it.

651

:

And we've heard, you know.

652

:

Layers

653

:

glasses on.

654

:

I got to tell you my use.

655

:

He's out there in the universe.

656

:

I love.

657

:

It you're using layers of information.

658

:

Yeah.

659

:

And that just said, you

know, simple verses in order to control

660

:

the bad decisions and influence.

661

:

And supposedly raw knowledge

before realizing the full song.

662

:

One year is what I hear. The jungle band.

663

:

There we go, there we go. We.

664

:

There is.

665

:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

666

:

Because, Well, Jake called me out.

667

:

He became this

668

:

Jake hole is up there

in the annals of good.

669

:

I don't want to talk about

how artists of all time, according to.

670

:

Many, many people.

671

:

Yeah.

672

:

You know how he did.

673

:

He made a business decision.

674

:

I don't think any more straight.

675

:

Yeah.

676

:

You know the label, right? Is working and.

677

:

On down the line.

678

:

We have made his first decision.

679

:

Like, listen to us in his real

680

:

biological vehicle.

681

:

Come on, listen to those.

682

:

No radio.

683

:

He's got some heads to.

684

:

The interview follow?

685

:

Yeah.

686

:

Kind of interspersed in here as well.

687

:

I brought some some guest speakers

to my podcast.

688

:

And, I got a notion that,

you know, between 3 and 500.

689

:

Dollars

690

:

right.

691

:

Here and falling in love to new Jersey.

692

:

You didn't, long ago were about to,

693

:

as if you were going.

694

:

To mislead and got new Jersey jazz

at the Hamilton station. Wow.

695

:

We just came in and talk to a glass,

you know?

696

:

So, room 2025, studio,

697

:

and we talking about standards

while enforcing copyright clearance.

698

:

Okay.

699

:

Oh, we should watch that.

700

:

Yeah. Yeah,

we should put that on our list. Yeah.

701

:

Because we like. So. And I'm sampling

Ross.

702

:

Yeah, yeah.

703

:

We just need to hear him

talk about what they put together.

704

:

So I was like,

705

:

what are young kids

going to find in the way he works with,

706

:

you know, Daniel

707

:

insists on I gets his first DJ,

but wouldn't it be nice?

708

:

Oh, he really had, like. This creative.

709

:

Direction.

710

:

Control that you did with everything.

711

:

You give his time.

712

:

And the guy's name is over.

713

:

I'm just looking up just a little real.

714

:

But, you know, he.

715

:

Everybody great.

716

:

Like God.

717

:

I would ask him, like,

whose idea was it to do this to me

718

:

was like, oh, PA's

719

:

in the studio.

720

:

Yeah.

721

:

It's really through the process of,

722

:

You know, you.

723

:

Get kind of the seed of your own song,

he said.

724

:

Even though it's kind of selling out

there, he's not done yet for

725

:

me. Yes.

726

:

So many times over. Sandy, you.

727

:

Said he still has to go in

every couple years.

728

:

And my head to kind of throw that.

729

:

Name on there to see if maybe the samples,

730

:

you know, let me like hire a lawyer,

just take care of the whole thing.

731

:

So there's no, no, they never.

732

:

Wow. Yeah.

733

:

We just discussed this in this week's is.

734

:

You ever watched it for fun? Absolutely.

735

:

The cartoon Teen Titans go!

736

:

I'll just play. It.

737

:

It's the deal I saw that. Yeah.

I was like, you know what? I'm sorry.

738

:

We don't do this.

739

:

And we had a great time.

740

:

Watch it. 20 11 minutes long.

741

:

It was amazing.

742

:

We talked about the legalities.

743

:

You know, the prequel, the timing for

that was on your mother's first.

744

:

And then there's some little subtleties

in the turtles.

745

:

It's a really great really beginning.

746

:

It's really super hands off.

747

:

Yeah. That was just about life. Yeah.

748

:

Choosing life on Mars.

749

:

And I was just saying this is like,

what a shame that wasn't

750

:

even like, a radio hit or like,

a single was like it was juvenile.

751

:

Then again, you're putting a, like,

some alien language

752

:

together with the beat,

and it's like, really?

753

:

They sued them for like over 2 million

and they said, like 1.7 million.

754

:

I mean, come on.

755

:

That's that's ridiculous.

756

:

These young guys that was just.

757

:

Sued over it.

758

:

Oh my gosh.

759

:

Yeah.

760

:

Yeah.

761

:

The what's the other company

I can't hear the name of the buyout.

762

:

Tommy boy that the reason they finally got

the music streaming. Yes.

763

:

Just about a year ago

I guess. Right in there.

764

:

Yeah. She was close to.

765

:

They passed away

just a few weeks ago, right?

766

:

Yeah, it was so March

767

:

3rd, 2023.

768

:

And because three is the magic number

like three, 323 I remember that was like

769

:

the day or the famous whole day

when they got the rights to the music.

770

:

They passed away.

771

:

Just passed away in February.

772

:

February earlier. Yeah.

773

:

It was just such a shame that,

774

:

Yeah.

775

:

Yeah, yeah.

776

:

Miserable timing.

777

:

Yeah.

778

:

Tommy,

779

:

it's the last.

780

:

15, 20 years.

781

:

Yeah.

782

:

She. That was he to.

783

:

You know, welcome in.

784

:

Oh, man.

785

:

Do you have any.

786

:

Other folks

that you want to mention that you.

787

:

Brought in?

788

:

Same time. Around here?

789

:

We run the same town.

790

:

I got an 11 year old.

791

:

Wow. Percy. Gary.

792

:

He had a. Will he, Rabbit?

793

:

No, I guess three of his life sentences.

794

:

And, you know, I feel like.

795

:

He was there at the beginning.

796

:

He was in my knew.

797

:

He was in my first.

798

:

That he for

799

:

for me, all over New York, Jersey.

800

:

Just a two mile usually.

801

:

And then he would shine a light.

802

:

And this is what I'm saying,

you know, to hear him tell it.

803

:

And I was like, the loaders labels

they just threw on at you.

804

:

At the guy,

which is a good voice on stage.

805

:

Nobody gets to see that.

806

:

So he basically lost the game.

807

:

When he continued to release music.

808

:

But, you know, he, he was with, you know,

when you're making Operation News,

809

:

there's been stories about how he was.

810

:

He came to, you know, he crossed

the country,

811

:

took a can actually.

812

:

He thought it was a little closer. You.

813

:

Know.

814

:

Yeah. He showed up. In a can.

815

:

Can never say he had 300 cash,

816

:

so I had to put that up.

817

:

And I'm really promising to work it out.

818

:

And you.

819

:

Know, that'll help me in that way.

820

:

He straightened out

821

:

you soon.

822

:

You see, and he, you know, to me. And,

823

:

and he.

824

:

Wants to.

825

:

Take is with.

826

:

You you did.

827

:

Who was around that time?

828

:

I got a great, nice for myself. Wow.

829

:

For you to really need to.

830

:

They said he he came. He just wrote down.

831

:

Yes. He's a.

832

:

He just showed up,

833

:

You know, changed again.

834

:

Definitely.

835

:

Now. So then he went to the law school

with your license,

836

:

which was the wrong way up.

837

:

For that convention, these plays.

838

:

It was in know where I made that mistake

the first time I came here to.

839

:

I also.

840

:

Wasn't a smooth.

841

:

Man.

842

:

That's who I.

843

:

Remember back to nice.

844

:

You know?

845

:

You know, I'm a movie star.

846

:

Have some.

847

:

And some people.

848

:

Those people, when I

849

:

was in

850

:

high school or so,

851

:

they were horses, you know,

852

:

which I smoked, have heard,

853

:

Is like the way around.

854

:

Mystery talking on.

855

:

The phone, you know, I don't know,

856

:

I'm scared. Like he just.

857

:

Have any question. Yeah.

858

:

Wow. Amazing.

859

:

Another biggie.

860

:

A big name that came to him was 2016.

861

:

Informs Travis Scott.

862

:

Any recollections that he didn't see?

863

:

You know, Mr. Levy, student events.

864

:

Yeah, 2017 ASAP Ferg

865

:

I wish I.

866

:

Oh. You said. To.

867

:

Yeah.

868

:

And it's worth a listen.

869

:

And he there's always that.

870

:

Yeah. Where they said oh okay.

871

:

There's a lot of different kinds of line

stuff.

872

:

2018 PNB Rock.

873

:

Dinero.

874

:

Young.

875

:

Yeah,

I remember she was really excited. See?

876

:

Okay.

877

:

Yeah.

878

:

I guess we love seeing you, right?

879

:

Just to be comfortable.

880

:

Right? Is that right?

881

:

All right.

882

:

Forgot about that. What?

883

:

Can I see you in 2019?

884

:

A hoodie with the hoodie here.

885

:

And I guess a few years

with this Covid hit.

886

:

Right.

887

:

And so there's not a lot of

888

:

2023 where women are.

889

:

Okay. Well.

890

:

I saw I remember she's really excited.

891

:

And then this year those guys.

892

:

Was here or.

893

:

No that was that was spring.

894

:

Was you know that was spring

895

:

started.

896

:

So what was the excitement

level of the students.

897

:

For this quiz star studded

list of performers that have come Ryder.

898

:

And hopefully more and more

will be coming.

899

:

In in future years.

900

:

I don't know,

901

:

we've always had a full year.

902

:

And I remember because I wanted to do

gym and movies, actually.

903

:

Come to home played this.

904

:

Spring for myself and groceries.

905

:

You want to have a concert

in their entirety,

906

:

and if you have,

certain is a little more front.

907

:

It had a big question.

908

:

You'll see some was a remarkable.

909

:

I remember

910

:

there was a gentleman at work, and,

she put on over five units.

911

:

I should have.

912

:

Said he was.

913

:

Sitting behind me.

914

:

So, I told him, you know,

915

:

Oh, hey,

916

:

we need you over to from,

917

:

I so good crowd over there, people.

918

:

Come on. So, again, this year.

919

:

And so, you know, we need you to need

what we call a huge issue you had.

920

:

Oh. Shoot up. What was this?

921

:

Oh, no.

922

:

It's a beautiful.

923

:

Just so I shouldn't be around

the ballroom here.

924

:

So who was sitting in my village?

925

:

Who's a friend?

926

:

You should choose our topic. We?

927

:

He came for me

928

:

when he was already out.

929

:

She told me. Hey,

930

:

if you rock it out

931

:

now, I have a speech to talk about

932

:

seven years ago.

933

:

Well, that's

934

:

what want works.

935

:

The future for your tools. Wow.

936

:

You're crazy.

937

:

That's impossible.

938

:

It was one of the near miss,

939

:

from campus to orientation was 20

940

:

years.

941

:

In 94, 93.

942

:

Unfortunately,

there was a shooting on campus

943

:

around that time. I've heard that.

944

:

And not related to the counselor

or anything.

945

:

And in fact,

946

:

the students involved were not

I mean, not students were not involved.

947

:

It was people that were. From off campus.

948

:

It was a trend area

within a few something.

949

:

And unfortunately,

there was a shooting on campus

950

:

and they halted any type of large

gatherings and hip hop event.

951

:

That so many.

952

:

Major right from the East Orange right

came right down.

953

:

And they did the following year.

954

:

I got to meet separately,

through a mutual friend,

955

:

my wife's cousins, really good friends.

956

:

Many.

957

:

And when he comes into the barbershop

all the time, everybody's in like, so

958

:

I even for this mixtape tour a few years

back and had, like New Kids on the block

959

:

and he gets his family,

960

:

and not in my nature.

961

:

And I got to like, you mean green

962

:

trash and in AG and it was a lot of fun

963

:

and other Instagram the kids.

964

:

Yeah.

965

:

It's funny.

966

:

Like, I don't know.

967

:

Retirement age is really like.

968

:

No, I'm sure like,

969

:

how did campus shut down?

970

:

So yeah,

971

:

it was just kind of like

I was just cleaning floors.

972

:

Yeah.

973

:

They were very skittish

about having off campus people

974

:

come on campus for events

after that for for years for years.

975

:

Yeah. Yeah.

976

:

You know, that's

977

:

the right.

978

:

You want you want to know.

979

:

Yeah.

980

:

I did have good.

981

:

Long you I co-wrote a bio. Yes.

982

:

Please tell us about that shootings.

983

:

I had three years experience

that you know,

984

:

while I was writing the

book with him, he came in.

985

:

He's looking

986

:

to see some of my friends, in the.

987

:

It's amazing.

988

:

That's amazing.

989

:

Wow. It is what it is.

990

:

Talk about.

991

:

That's what it

992

:

you see a little bit more of the book

that you did already was this was this

993

:

before after you had some where this was

for the 10th anniversary or is that okay?

994

:

That's what you did

before that came out in:

995

:

Okay.

996

:

The word within a month.

997

:

I mean he had all the inside was there.

998

:

You know.

999

:

Yeah, he was there.

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00:45:38,291 --> 00:45:40,833

You know. You know.

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00:45:40,833 --> 00:45:43,833

He's there for most of the reason

he was leading in the shoes.

:

00:45:43,833 --> 00:45:44,625

He was there.

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You know.

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00:45:47,625 --> 00:45:47,958

Yeah.

:

00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:50,875

He tours the world especially.

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00:45:50,875 --> 00:45:53,875

He never missed until very, very last or.

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Also when I talk to you

:

00:45:58,916 --> 00:46:02,708

know, I have, you know, isolated

you know it's up to the younger.

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00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,791

Foundation for this.

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00:46:07,791 --> 00:46:08,083

Yeah.

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00:46:08,083 --> 00:46:09,000

It's really cool to see

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00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,041

how the family has really patched up

any time that, you know, for a while.

:

00:46:13,041 --> 00:46:16,333

I mean, wasn't that was,

you know, selling.

:

00:46:16,583 --> 00:46:20,083

You guys would take ownership, taking

take care of the family for your journey.

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00:46:21,125 --> 00:46:23,083

But it seems like it would be.

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00:46:23,083 --> 00:46:25,666

Real happy with what.

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00:46:25,666 --> 00:46:26,625

You're getting.

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00:46:26,625 --> 00:46:28,791

Support ten days after being one of each.

:

00:46:28,791 --> 00:46:30,666

Yeah, yeah.

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00:46:30,666 --> 00:46:33,666

If you go feel that way about performance,

:

00:46:34,791 --> 00:46:35,958

isn't that crazy?

:

00:46:35,958 --> 00:46:37,875

Actually, you.

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00:46:37,875 --> 00:46:41,500

Residency in Vegas or something like that,

you have a Vegas residency.

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00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:44,291

It's it's. An.

:

00:46:44,291 --> 00:46:48,250

Outcome so far that it has, you know,

and we Wu-Tang residency.

:

00:46:48,708 --> 00:46:51,708

Wu-Tang and Celine Dion.

:

00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:57,333

Brittany stick Reed and Roy.

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00:46:57,375 --> 00:47:00,375

Who's going to go?

:

00:47:02,041 --> 00:47:03,333

Wu-Tang is for the children. Are

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00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:06,041

amazing.

:

00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:08,458

Amazing story. Thank you for sharing that.

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00:47:08,458 --> 00:47:10,041

You have

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00:47:10,041 --> 00:47:13,041

any other recollections of hip

hop here at rider?

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00:47:13,125 --> 00:47:13,583

Anything?

:

00:47:13,583 --> 00:47:16,666

Any plans for the future

that you don't hear while you're there?

:

00:47:16,666 --> 00:47:18,125

See year I know before.

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00:47:18,125 --> 00:47:22,666

We started recording it

on, I coming in but I the I.

:

00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:25,208

Want to hear that yeah. Piece.

:

00:47:25,208 --> 00:47:29,333

So we brought riding

and we did a hit by a mountain city rider.

:

00:47:30,041 --> 00:47:33,041

This is me and Doctor Justin

working for the music.

:

00:47:33,125 --> 00:47:34,500

Okay. Yeah.

:

00:47:34,500 --> 00:47:37,500

Yeah, we put this together

and I want to say 20,

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00:47:38,708 --> 00:47:40,416

:

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00:47:40,416 --> 00:47:42,208

Right.

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00:47:42,208 --> 00:47:45,375

So hip hop scholars like hearing on this.

:

00:47:45,375 --> 00:47:47,250

Really cool. Okay. Yeah.

:

00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:48,750

Girls play

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00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:52,583

like the syncopations that don't

just rise in the windows or it's kind of.

:

00:47:52,583 --> 00:47:53,958

What do you mean?

:

00:47:53,958 --> 00:47:56,708

Oh, that's cool.

:

00:47:56,708 --> 00:47:58,958

That's a really

a really interesting take. On, like

:

00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,666

the early

contributions of women and girls.

:

00:48:02,666 --> 00:48:04,666

See what the game had.

:

00:48:04,666 --> 00:48:06,916

Yeah. Totally. That's true.

:

00:48:06,916 --> 00:48:07,333

Yeah.

:

00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:10,583

So she came in we had a couple of songs.

:

00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:13,333

We had Robin.

:

00:48:13,333 --> 00:48:16,333

Come in and our general discussion

and then before

:

00:48:17,333 --> 00:48:18,458

that's great.

:

00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:21,375

It's for you know about it for sure.

:

00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:23,958

I that's terrific.

:

00:48:23,958 --> 00:48:24,333

Yeah.

:

00:48:24,333 --> 00:48:26,625

Absolutely perfect.

:

00:48:26,625 --> 00:48:29,166

Never boogie.

:

00:48:29,166 --> 00:48:32,166

So watch out for the Brick City.

:

00:48:32,666 --> 00:48:34,125

You seen the documentary Netflix.

:

00:48:34,125 --> 00:48:35,666

The latest version I think pretty much.

:

00:48:35,666 --> 00:48:37,666

You might not watch them yet.

:

00:48:37,666 --> 00:48:40,666

I mean, I know you've seen a lot of these.

:

00:48:40,958 --> 00:48:42,000

We talked about branding it.

:

00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000

You so intellectual and intelligent.

:

00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:49,166

And she had such an awesome background.

:

00:48:49,625 --> 00:48:51,916

Yeah. And a lot of the engineer.

:

00:48:51,916 --> 00:48:53,125

Yeah, that was it.

:

00:48:53,125 --> 00:48:55,416

Oh, my God,

:

00:48:55,416 --> 00:48:56,916

no. That's no joke.

:

00:48:56,916 --> 00:48:57,541

That's no joke.

:

00:48:58,833 --> 00:48:59,541

Yeah.

:

00:48:59,541 --> 00:48:59,958

That's right.

:

00:48:59,958 --> 00:49:02,333

He walked away. From the community

:

00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:05,333

support program.

:

00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:07,375

He's.

:

00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:08,958

Yeah,

:

00:49:08,958 --> 00:49:09,500

I know when she.

:

00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:13,375

Performed now, she introduced everybody

on stage and she said, this is my head.

:

00:49:13,375 --> 00:49:16,208

Man. It's been years for the city.

:

00:49:16,208 --> 00:49:17,583

Has been here since.

:

00:49:17,583 --> 00:49:20,583

Wow. She's performing around the world.

:

00:49:21,458 --> 00:49:24,041

Champions.

:

00:49:24,041 --> 00:49:27,041

Okay.

:

00:49:29,458 --> 00:49:32,458

Any more questions?

:

00:49:33,250 --> 00:49:33,833

Anything else?

:

00:49:33,833 --> 00:49:36,833

Making.

:

00:49:36,875 --> 00:49:39,083

Everybody see?

:

00:49:39,083 --> 00:49:39,750

Very nice.

:

00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:42,750

This is.

:

00:49:43,125 --> 00:49:43,916

Quite the lineup.

:

00:49:43,916 --> 00:49:45,458

There.

:

00:49:45,458 --> 00:49:49,833

You know, the only person that we feel

left out is Keith Miles included.

:

00:49:49,833 --> 00:49:52,833

Running, with the Indians.

:

00:49:53,541 --> 00:49:55,708

He was in a group called the Suit ninjas.

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00:49:55,708 --> 00:49:56,416

Ninjas?

:

00:49:56,416 --> 00:49:57,041

Sure.

:

00:49:57,041 --> 00:49:59,625

Like it's sort of some city area.

:

00:49:59,625 --> 00:50:02,208

Okay. In a really fun world.

:

00:50:02,208 --> 00:50:02,833

Right? Right.

:

00:50:02,833 --> 00:50:05,833

There's a lot of people

that completely consume arts,

:

00:50:06,791 --> 00:50:09,291

literature groups, but,

you know, some ninjas out there

:

00:50:09,291 --> 00:50:12,708

that you it

they were sort of under the umbrella and.

:

00:50:14,625 --> 00:50:16,458

Right down the road and willing.

:

00:50:16,458 --> 00:50:18,250

Oh okay. Yeah.

:

00:50:18,250 --> 00:50:19,541

So yeah, keep walking.

:

00:50:19,541 --> 00:50:22,541

And actually Google was driving down

the road

:

00:50:22,708 --> 00:50:26,875

time tried to on actually,

you know following up with his on the way

:

00:50:26,875 --> 00:50:29,875

he a straight.

:

00:50:30,166 --> 00:50:33,166

Talk to him do the thing I you.

:

00:50:34,458 --> 00:50:35,625

There you go man.

:

00:50:35,625 --> 00:50:36,958

He had so many good things to say

:

00:50:36,958 --> 00:50:41,083

about us to ask about in this area

and really world you need to work in.

:

00:50:41,083 --> 00:50:44,083

New Zealand was pretty.

:

00:50:44,416 --> 00:50:45,916

I guess the big stories and dirty

:

00:50:45,916 --> 00:50:48,916

had arrested them on.

:

00:50:49,458 --> 00:50:50,666

Grays ferry. Yeah.

:

00:50:50,666 --> 00:50:51,125

What's that?

:

00:50:51,125 --> 00:50:51,583

He's very.

:

00:50:51,583 --> 00:50:56,041

Yeah, yeah, he's been on the land for

a few days in a way that was, you know,

:

00:50:57,041 --> 00:51:00,041

of new.

:

00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:04,958

I talked to him about

who knew where he was unaccounted for.

:

00:51:04,958 --> 00:51:06,541

48, 72 hours.

:

00:51:08,333 --> 00:51:14,416

Wow. He will say,

:

00:51:15,458 --> 00:51:17,458

you know.

:

00:51:17,458 --> 00:51:19,666

Thank you, Mickey, for, Yes.

:

00:51:19,666 --> 00:51:20,708

Thank you so much.

:

00:51:20,708 --> 00:51:21,916

That was really great.

:

00:51:21,916 --> 00:51:24,208

He's all. Through the stories and.

:

00:51:24,208 --> 00:51:27,375

My time is gone.

:

00:51:27,375 --> 00:51:30,583

And then he was a key member of Assisi

and bringing a lot of his action

:

00:51:30,583 --> 00:51:32,416

and love in response to that movie.

:

00:51:32,416 --> 00:51:33,708

Thank you very much.

:

00:51:33,708 --> 00:51:35,625

Thank you. Guy.

Right on this all together.

:

00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:39,833

Thank you Jamie. 000.

:

00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:43,166

Our man is our man is Martin.

:

00:51:43,166 --> 00:51:46,166

All right, all right, all right. Now.

:

00:51:46,958 --> 00:51:49,958

Well, wrap it up for:

:

00:51:50,416 --> 00:51:53,541

Yes. I.

:

00:52:01,916 --> 00:52:02,625

Bring it.

:

00:52:02,625 --> 00:52:05,625

Come on.

:

00:52:12,625 --> 00:52:13,291

Bring it!

:

00:52:13,291 --> 00:52:16,291

Come on.

:

00:52:23,291 --> 00:52:23,916

Bring it.

:

00:52:23,916 --> 00:52:26,916

Come on.

:

00:52:34,708 --> 00:52:35,416

Okay.

:

00:52:35,416 --> 00:52:37,041

Take. Okay.

:

00:52:37,041 --> 00:52:39,875

Drink it, take it.

:

00:52:39,875 --> 00:52:42,875

Come on.

:

00:52:49,916 --> 00:52:50,583

Bring it.

:

00:52:50,583 --> 00:52:51,000

Come on.

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